Mōtung:Germanisc Hǣðenscipe

Latest comment: 15 years ago by 85.1.226.56

Þēodisc is the NATIVE word for "Our people," very roughly (used in this context). You chose to use a non-native Latin word instead. Þēodisc is cognate to German Deutsch, as well as Dutch, all of which basically mean the same thing. I specifically stated to not import words from other languages, in order to keep Old English, as Old English. Needlessly importing words causes a language to change, which defeats the entire purpose of writing in OE to begin with. Sometimes you have to, but in this instance you dont. Capitalized, Þēodisc refers to Germanic peoples. Not capitalized, þēodisc means tribal/native. You're just gonna have to deal with a slightly ambiguous term. "Þēodisc" is þēodisc word for "ure lēode."Ƿōdenhelm 00:04, 1 Ēastermōnaþ 2008 (UTC)

I agree that Þēodisc Hǣðenscipe is probably better than Germanisc Hǣðenscipe for the purposes of ang-wiki. But as you say, þēodisc means "tribal/native", or rather "of the (common) people". The notion of "Germanic" in the comparative sense didn't exist in the Old English period, and it is anyone's guess whether Bede would have preferred Germanisc or Þēodisc capitalized to express the idea, so that we need to coin a neologism either way. --85.1.226.56 20:38, 21 Se Æfterra Gēola 2009 (UTC)Reply

Historically, "þēodisc" meant "Gentile" (non-Jewish). I am not aware of any examples of "þēodisc" being used to mean "our people". On the other hand, Germania is clearly used to mean... Germania. "Þēodisc" being used to mean "Germanic" is an unnecesary calque of a modern word which doesn't even mean "Germanic" in the first place - it means specifically "German", especially when we already have adequate and fully appropriate root "Germania" to work off in historical OE usage, and "þēodisc" already means something else. "Needlessly importing words causes a language to change, which defeats the entire purpose of writing in OE to begin with." indeed, but "Germania" was already in OE usage - not a new import.   Ƿes hāl!    22:52, 5 Blōtmōnaþ 2014 (UTC)
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